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Lamarcus Joyner

Report Prepared By John Harris

Breakdown:

#20
Class: Senior
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 195 lbs.
School: Florida State
Bio:
  • Jim Thorpe Award Finalist - top DB in college football (2013)
  • Bronko Nagurski Award Finalist - nation's best defensive player (2013)
  • First-team All-American (2013)
  • 2x First-team All-ACC (2013, 2012)
  • Second-team All-ACC (2011)
  • 2013 stats:  69 tackles, 5.5 sacks, seven TFL, two INT, four PBU, three QBH & three forced fumbles

 

 

Pros

  • Fearless and reckless
  • Strikes with all 185 pounds on every play, one of biggest hitters in CFB
  • Intelligent football player, high football IQ
  • Better than average mirroring skills in man coverage
  • Excellent hips, has ability to turn and go and get in receiver's hip pocket
  • Does more than just make a tackle - forced a fumble on the first play of the Clemson game, FSU never looked back
  • Played the slot corner position extremely well
  • Played three years at safety, some at perimeter corner as well
  • Plays a lot like former Colts S Bob Sanders - physical, throws his body around, never shies away from a hit
  • Love "State of South Florida" kids, especially those from St. Thomas Aquinas

Cons

  • Fearless and reckless
  • Short, very short
  • Not consistent wrapping up ball carriers
  • Gets too aggressive playing near the LOS as slot corner v. the run
  • Sometimes takes bad angles to ball carrier as a result when he’s lined up there - still work in progress v. run - fits, angles
  • A tad hotheaded/emotional, costly 15 yard penalty in first half of BCS National Championship game
  • Must be more violent v. WR stalk blocking - could be major issue at his size v. big WR in NFL
  • Press man technique at the snap needs a little work - can be clutchy/grabby, instead of using hands properly

Film Room

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0:03 Must be more violent with his hands to get off block
2:40 Interception. Dropped in front of curl route that Duke had hit a couple of times earlier. Smart, excellent read
3:19 Breaks on flat route after “showing” in curl zone - played curl/flat as it’s taught, just perfect - then delivers massive hit
5:23 Backpedal and burst back to the ball is impressive
6:36 Carries the slot WR across the formation in man coverage - draped on him

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0:02 Forces fumble on first play - tackle…with something extra
1:14 Blitz from slot corner spot, sack, caused fumble that turned into TD - 12 mins into game, he has two massive plays
2:58 Carries slot WR up the seam but gets too “handsy”, PI called
4:55 End zone shot - the transition in coverage from the out and up back to the curl disrupted the whole play
5:31 Shows as blitzer, sprints to the flat, sees it covered, redirects to the mid-level out route for the INTERCEPTION
7:54 Avoids blocker and makes open field form tackle on a big RB - this is stellar.
 

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(Plays perimeter CB position in this one)
0:19 Press technique is effective, reaches a bit, but his hip turn and go is perfect.
0:29 Switching Man responsibilities on the goal line, but he recognizes it way too late - gives up a TD
1:13 Man coverage on a slot WR - like a blanket, excellent technique

Report

Let me try to sum Joyner up this way.  If he were 6’1, 205, he’d be a top ten pick, no questions asked.  Here’s a guy who can play perimeter cornerback, can play slot cornerback, played safety for three years and is one of the most complete football players in this draft.  No, he’s not a physical specimen, he’s a football player.  He’s a guy that you can tell loves to play the game, understands it, studies it and then excels at it.

But, he’s 5’8”.  How much will that scare teams away?  Let’s see if we have precedent.  Last year, former LSU star Tyrann Mathieu sat out the entire 2012 season, had a multitude of off the field issues and is 5’9” on his best day.  Mathieu went in the third round, in large part due to the off-the-field issues and the year of rust.  Then, he went and had a tremendous rookie season at Arizona until his ACL tear on a punt return.  Joyner might be a bit faster, makes a variety of plays in similar ways, never missed a down and was the leader on a team that won a national championship.  It’s hard to compare the two, but it might be more difficult not to.  Mathieu was known for wreaking havoc all over the field in a variety of ways - blitzing off the slot, covering slot receivers, tackling in space and starring on special teams.  In a similar vein, look at Joyner’s stat sheet for the year.  He hit every single category on the stat sheet except for kicks/punts blocked.  Sacks, tackles for a loss, PBUs, QB hurries, fumbles forced, interceptions, popcorn boxes sold and so on.

So, let’s come to grips with the fact that he’s short and small.  Okay, done.  Now, let’s be honest about the type of football player he is.  Joyner has a HIGH football IQ, is physically tough, hits anything that moves, can play nearly every secondary position and makes at least one game changing play a game.  The way the NFL has moved to a “passing league” forces teams to think about how to capitalize on the one position that really has no rules or true guidelines and is a spot where good football players can often impact the game.  The slot corner.  Former Packer Charles Woodson changed many teams thinking as to what the position is and what it can do, but the originator is the guy Joyner may most resemble - former Buccaneer Ronde Barber.  The move to the slot corner position made Barber a perennial Pro Bowler, even though he was under 6' and 190 pounds.  Joyner is more the size of Barber and Mathieu than Woodson but as Mathieu proved last year, Joyner can be a 185 pound menace at that spot and anywhere else in the secondary.

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